'They were trying to build a fucking time machine', he said.
Henry Stevens relates a story attributed to German scientist Otto Cerny as told to then 13-year-old Greg Rowe around 1961 which alleged that a concave mirror on top of a device which seemed similar in description to Die Glocke provided the ability to see "images from the past" during its operation:
There is a German connection to time experiments.
Some of the technology and even some of the funding are rumored to have come from Nazi Germany.
German U-Boats were said to surface off the New Jersey coast, secretly off-loading mysterious cargos. In our quest for suppressed German science, this is intriguing because most of what has actually proven to be true first originated as a story or rumor.
A great example is the story told to me by researcher Friedrich Georg.
This came to him by an individual he knows and trusts and in fact is related to him by marriage.
As a young person, this man was a soldier in the German Wehrmacht like thousands of others at the time. And like so many others, at the close of the war, in April, 1945, this person found himself in American-run prison detention camp.
There, he met a fellow prisoner, a SS soldier, with a strange tale to tell.
According to the 5S man, Hitler had a hidden facility in the mountains of the Harz region. There, deep under a mountain Hitler had constructed a time machine.
Unfortunately, this machine was no longer accessable from the surface.
Now, sixty years later, we do know that Hitler had a series of huge underground facilities in the Harz region at the Jonas Valley. Some of the exact functions of some of these facilities are still under debate today.
The reason for this, in part, is that these tunnels were sealed with explosives before the American 3'rd Army under Patton could secure them. Later they fell into the Soviet Zone but nobody ever bothered to investigate what went on down there.
As with most rumors stemming from the 3rd Reich, there was usually a kernel of truth to it.
There have always been real scientists as well as tinkerers who experiment in time, then as now, so the very fact that some physics laboratory experiments were done in those days by the Germans should be of surprise to nobody.....
In the Winter of 2002, a chance conversation occurred with a friend of mine.
His name is Greg Rowve and I have corresponded with him for several years as the result of a chance contact. Greg is a trained engineer as was his father.
Once Greg told me that his father had worked for NASA at the Huntsville, Alabama facility.
Knowing that some German Paperclip scientists worked there, I asked Greg if any of these worked with his father.
Greg replied with a list of German scientists with whom his father had worked and a few words about each one of them.
One of these, Otto Cerny, seemed particularly interesting from Greg's description so I pressed him for more information.
What follows is a compilation of several e-mails on the subject of Otto Cerny.
Cerny was Greg's father's boss.
Greg knew the whole family and went to school with Cerny's son whom Greg called by name. Greg also referred to Cerny's wife by her first name and gave other small detajls of their family life.
When he was somewhere between 12 and 14 years old, Greg and ills family were invited to dinner at the Cerny's house.
Thjs would have been between the years 1960-62. Greg sat and listened as the older men talked.
Otto Cerny was an engineer and physicist. He had worked at Peenemünde on a variety of projects. That was why he was in the Uruted States, to work on rockets, and why he was a Paperclip scientist to begin with.
But it is his work prior to coming to Peenemünde, which was the subject of discussion that night.
Cerny said that he had worked near Breslau in the early years of the war. It was there that he met his wife who worked in Breslau at a hospital where she was employed doing physical rehabilitation work.
Cerny continued describing this work that rught in Alabama, dismissing it at first as "weird experiments on the nature of time".
Greg's father must have picked up on this comment because the two men quickly became involved, according to Greg, in a deep discussion concerning the nature of time.
Greg told me that it seemed to hjm now, that, at times Cerny was a little vague in his statements, choosing his words and being careful of what he said, almost as if he were under some sort of hidden duress.
Greg listened to the two men attentively but did not enter into the conversation himself. At that time and place in polite adult company, as Greg explains, a child did not speak unless spoken to.
In considering what foUows and what was relayed to me, it should be remembered that Greg had not yet read Nick Cook's book or ever heard of the work of Igor Witkowski.
Greg remembers that Cerny drew a circle of stones, which Greg said was "like a Greek Temple", with a ring around the top".
Then Greg added a feature not mentioned by Cook or Witkowski, "and some sort of ring inside of that". This second ring was like a hoop of metal from which something hung-like an oscilloscope or a TV screen. Greg went on to mention the atomic symbol as a means of description.
The atomic symbol has a nucleus around which orbit electrons. The electrons have two orbits, one within the other and are moving independently from each other.
From this description it follows that this structure contained two movable and independently adjustable fixtures from which something hung, perhaps as with a gyroscope.
Cerny said that it was possible to "go back and witness things".
With this statement a Greg's father asked why it was not possible to go forward if it were possible to go backward. Evidently there was some discussion between the two men on this point. Cerny responded that it simply did not work that way.
Greg reports that, after a pause, Cerny cut more pastry and poured another cup of coffee, then changed the subject to a jet engine, which had been built at Peenemünde, for an unmanned rocket other than the V-l.
Naturally, I was dumbfounded by the turn of events. This was mid-January, 2002. Greg had not read my book on German saucers or Cook's book containing discussion of Igor Witkowski. As a matter of fact, Greg had never heard of Igor Witkowski. I told him of these references and sent him a copy of my book.
I quickly re-read Cook's passages on the subject. Then something else occurred to me. I quickly found my partial list of Paperclip scientists and looked for Otto Cerny's name.
Sure enough, it was there. I wasted no time in ordering the file from the National Archives under the FO.l.A. I had no idea of what to expect.
Greg had provided so much detail into their personal lives that I was a little apprehensive that my friend might have been wrong about some of this. Would the FO.l.A. file confirm what Greg overheard?
Fortunately, Paperclip files are packed with what we would call today "personal information".
Ninety days pass and the file arrives.
In it are the names and birth dates of Otto Cerny and all his family. The name Greg gave for Mrs. Cerny was correct. The name Greg gave for his son was correct, and his year of birth puts him in Greg's grade in school.
They had lived in Huntsville where Otto was employed by NASA.
There was no doubt that this was the person Greg had described and his description matched very well.
One file included a time-line and a statement of Cerny's work at Peenemünde.
Many "deletion" pages were inserted into the file telling the reader that portions of the files were being withheld for security reasons.
But the censor was somewhat uneven. It seemed that sensitive information was pulled out at various times by various censors.
Some of these censors only read English, it seemed, because the English translation of Cerny's work history consisted of nine pages while the original had consisted of twenty-five pages in German language.
Fortunately, twenty-four pages in the original German edition remained, and included a description of a previously unknown weapon.
The weapon in question was a special edition of the Henschel Hs-292.
The regular Hs-292 was a air-to-ship guided missile which was fired from a carrier aircraft, such as a two-engine He-111 bomber, and steered towards the target ship though the a thin wire linkage and an operator using a joy stick.
The new weapon was a high-altitude air-to-air weapon that was again launched from an aircraft and guided via wire and joystick but its target was not a ship beneath it but an enemy bomber formation above it.
Was this the weapon Greg had commented upon?
Unfortunately, no mention is made of experiments in time in the Paperclip file.
This could hardly be expected, however. The file had been gone over many times and items pulled for security reasons, But the time-line was very complete and in it Cerny accounts for his every move since college.
I went directly to the war years.
From May, 1939 to September, 1939, Cerny attended a flight school at Braunschweig, the Deutsche Versuchsanstalt für Luftfahrt [German Flight Research Institution].
From September, 1939 to April, 1940, Cerny worked at three Air Force test bases including one at Rechlin, which is next door to Peenemünde and was a test site for exotic aircraft.
This would put him in the proper region at the proper time.
His next assignment, May, 1940 to April, 1945 was at Peenemünde, immediately to the west.
Taken as a whole, Greg's account of what Cerny said and what Cerny's Paperclip file show are remarkably consistent.
I have to believe that the rendition concerning Cerny's work on an unknown jet engine for use in an advanced missile is factual and possibly be the new type of Hs-292.
The Henschel Hs 298 was a rocket-powered air-to-air missile designed by Professor Herbert Wagner of Henschel, specifically to attack Allied bomber aircraft.
It was the first missile designed specifically for air-to-air use, and was to be carried on special launch rails by Dornier Do 217s or Focke-Wulf Fw 190s.
The Hs 298 was a mid-wing monoplane with tapered swept back wings and had a single horizontal stabiliser with twin vertical fins.
Its maximum range was about 1.5 km [0.93 mi].
It used a Strassburg-Kehl FuG 203 radio guidance system powered by a propeller-driven [mounted on the nose] electric generator.
The missile needed two crew on the launch aircraft to control it:
One operator used a reflector-type sight to aim at the target and the other flew the missile using a joystick and another sight paired to the first with a servo system.
The only known test firings were carried out on 22 December 1944 with three missiles carried by a Junkers Ju 88G.
Only two missiles left the launch rails with one failing to release.Planned to enter mass production in January 1945, the project was abandoned in favour of the X-4.
I also must believe that Cerny was telling the truth when he said that prior to coming to Peenemünde he worked on a German program involving time experimentation.
What he disclosed fits into the evidence provided by Mr. Witkowski and provides some new data.
The details of this program remain yet to be discovered as does its place in the German war effort.
Based upon my new respect for the possibility of German time experimentation, I contacted Thomas Mehner, the researcher and publisher famous for his work at the Jonas Valley site in Germany.
I asked Mr. Mehner about references to German time experimentation one finds here and there and if he knew of any such evidence coming from the Jonas Valley.
Mr. Mehner replied via e-mail on 7 September 2003 that there was no hard evidence for German time experimentation, but there were hints.
He said that recent opinion among researchers there [so there must be ongoing discussion of the possibility] is that time machine experiments would originate at least 200 meters below the surface.
There has been no attempt to describe the technology involved at Jonastal and no attempt yet to dig it up. This area is still, today, a German military base.
The most exciting statement made by Mr. Mehner was that recently, researchers there are of the opinion that the Germans experimented with what he described as "inter-dimensional trips".
If this is ever proven, it would be just as explosive as successful time experimentation itself.
There is another story that comes to mind that now rests squarely in the realm of science fiction.
It appeared in a 1997 edition of the magazine "Wissenschait ohne Grenzen" which was responsible for placing the concept of the lost underground facilities at Jonastal in the public eye.
This tale involves the disappearance of up to 3,000 people. These people included SS personnel and scientists.
Just prior to capture by Patton's 3rd Army, these people including their women and children, all of "pure Aryan origins", disappeared down into an underground facility in the Jonas Valley called "Burg". After the people were inside the entrance was then sealed with explosives.
It should be noted that this is not referred to as a mass suicide. We are left with the impression that these people wished to escape the 3rd Reich.
So many other wild rumors of the past have been based upon fact. Could this escape have been into another time or another dimension? Could it really be true?
Jonastal [Jonas Valley], situated in the Ilm-Kreis district in Germany between Crawinkel and Arnstadt and near to the town of Ohrdruf, was a scene of military construction under the National Socialist regime during the last years of the Second World War.
Thousands of prisoners from the Buchenwald concentration camp under the command of SS General Hans Kammler were forced to dig 25 tunnels into the surrounding mountain and the whole operation was performed under the strictest secrecy.
The site was not completed and construction was abandoned before the end of the war.
T
he exact aim of the operation remains uncertain:
Although it is now believed to have been either a potential final headquarters for the Führer Adolf Hitler, a military communications post or a possible center for V-2 rocket and Wunderwaffe weapon production and research.
The latter is given some credence by the fact that SS General Hans Kammler was in overall charge of the construction efforts.
Ohrdruf, its forced labour camp and the nearby Jonas Valley were captured by American troops on 4 April 1945, by the 4th Armored Division and the 89th Infantry Division.
The camp was the first Nazi concentration camp liberated by the U.S. Army.
At the end of the war, the Soviet Army, which took over the site from the Americans, immediately classified it as a restricted zone and then used it as a military training ground.
After the fall of the Berlin Wall, the site was taken over by the German armed forces who continue to use the area.
Internet rumours continue to abound regarding the area's supposed role in the German atomic research program.
Many believe that this was a site for testing atomic bombs or a production site for the "Amerika" rocket and even a site for Nazi UFOs.
Jonastal itself remains within a military training area and entry is strictly prohibited.
This, however, does not prevent the site from being regularly visited by explorers and would-be treasure hunters who risk arrest and a fine if caught.
Debunking "Secret Nazi Time Machine"
Matthew Ellard
1 December 2011
This is an invented publishing "conspiracy" for commercial gain. There are two culprits.
The first culprit was a contributor to" Jane's Defence Weekly" prior to 2001 and an author of non-fiction and fiction books.
His name is Nicholas Cook.
He authored a book called "The Hunt for Zero Point: Inside the Classified World of Anti-gravity Technology".
This book is written in the first person and mixes together half truths concerning real German technological activities and a little bit of invention.
The secret German time machine is "Die Glocke" [The Bell].
For skeptics the warning bells are obvious.
On the USA Nation Public Radio program "Fresh Air" Nicholas Cook stated:
"I am not a scientist, but I enlisted some help".
That scientific help was from "Dr. Hal Puthoff [who] is pioneering this whole zero point energy field".
Skeptics may remember Dr Hal Puthoff as the man who endorsed Uri Gellar.
In 1967, Puthoff earned a Ph.D. in electrical engineering from Stanford University.
He then worked with, and invented, tunable lasers and electron beam devices, concerning which he holds patents.
Puthoff published papers on polarizable vacuum [PV] and stochastic electro-dynamics topics; examples of alternative approaches to general relativity and quantum mechanics.
In the 1970s and '80s Puthoff directed a CIA/DIA-funded program at SRI International to investigate paranormal abilities:
He collaborated with Russell Targ in a study of the purported psychic abilities of Uri Geller, Ingo Swann, Pat Price, Joseph McMoneagle and others, as part of the Stargate Project.
Both Puthoff and Targ became convinced Geller and Swann had genuine psychic powers. However, Geller was caught using sleight of hand on many other occasions.
The second culprit is another author, Igor Witkowski, through his slightly earlier book "The Truth About The Wunderwaffe".
It is a complete fabrication as clearly debunked::
Witkowski claims to have discovered the existence of the alleged German secret project 'Die Glocke' from transcripts of an interrogation by Polish authorities of former Nazi officer Jakob Sporrenberg.
Witkowski claims to have been able to read the transcripts through the help of an unnamed Polish Intelligence officer.
No primary documentation, aside from Witkowski's account, exists for the weapon.
Jakob Sporrenberg served in the Nazi occupation regimes in Poland and Norway. He never served in a scientific or technical capacity with the SS.
Mainstream belief tends to oppose the existence of such a weapon as the Bell and classify it as an Urban Legend.
To the contrary of mainstream belief, many people believe in such a weapon, and not just that, they also believe that it had sinister intentions.
Die Glocke has become a popular subject of speculation and a following exists around it and other alleged Nazi "miracle weapons" or Wunderwaffen.
Mainstream reviewers such as former aerospace scientist David Myhra express skepticism that such a device existed..
Author Jason Colavito wrote that Witkowski's claims were "recycled" from 1960s rumors of Nazi occult science first published in "Morning of the Magicians":
He describes Die Glocke as "a device few outside of fringe culture think actually existed. In short, it looks to be a hoax, or at least a wild exaggeration".
There are many documents and investigations on TV and the Internet that state the Third Reich was doing incredible research before the end of the war in 1945.
Aside from weaponry and advanced aircraft, it was also believed that the Third Reich scientists were working on a supposed time machine.
Was the Nazi Bell used to travel back in time?
Physics shows that traveling in the past is very difficult, and there is a paradox known for that specific type of time travel called the “Grandfather Paradox”.
What this paradox means is that if we traveled back in time and killed our grandfather, our father would not be born and we would never be born.
There is also a quantum physics theory that is called "Many-Worlds", and it states that every conceivable timeline exists in separate parallel worlds, and is equal as the world we inhabit.
On the other hand, wormholes are tunnels made out of space-time fabric that connect very far distances in space in a much shorter distance.
Space-time fabric was proposed by Einstein back in the days [1915 to be exact].
Wormholes exist naturally, theoretical physicist John Weeler said.
It’s possible wormholes to appear spontaneously anywhere and to suddenly disappear, and he has a hypothesis called “quantum foam hypothesis” backing it up.